Holden Vs Ford

whats with the ford and holden rivalry anyway?

i understand that they are two opposing car maufacturers and they are in competition with each other, thats business though.

but why do the people have to 'take sides'?

holden lover - "oh holdens are better because....." - why?

ford lover - "oh fords are better because ...." - why?

can anyone explain this to me?

by the way i had a ford jacket when i was in primary school, but only because i thought it looked cool.

B)

I've never bought into it or really understood it.

.. never really cared about it either, come to think about it

I'm not sure really.. but from my point of view.. i've alway's liked the look of holdens and that's what did it for me..

HOLDEN!!

Well my thoughts are kinda the same as you pick a football team in the SANFL ...

and personally I would never support a team who's cars are built in elizabeth.

so you go for the team that was built interstate (victoria i believe)

Personally Im not a fan of aussie cars.
I liek european class and style

yeah its simalar to footy rivalry

Don't care! Winterbottom & Bright are my boys, and Lowndes is my homie. I have had a thing for him ever since Bathurst last year, he kissed me on the cheek after his "press conference" thing..
Ford it is.

LOL!! so i suppose you drink VB too?

UGGHH!!!

Cause holden is ONLY Australia
Ford is not




sorry i thought i heard sum1 say you liked kissed in the pants

holden, ford..........both shite lmao


Japanese stuff of the same year is so much more advanced i mean up until recently both manufacturers were using puchrod v8's ( 1970's technology) The same era jap cars had twin over head cams eletronic fuel injection and a hoats of other styling/ build quality improvements over the aussie cars. Material quality is another plus too the japanese alloy's seem to be of better quality more corrosive resistant. So there is why i go jap that and the fact of jap cars used to race against aussie cars eg bathurst and the r32 GTR's got banned cos they kept winning races.....need i say more




Holden is a division of GMH ( american) holden the brand is australian the cars are not.

I go for Essendon in the footy

I find that rivalry is just like with football and alot of other sports and even with different types of music. I know i had a shit hot time sat at the 500. Good seeing chicks wearing ford stuff and another wearing holden stuff. Was good eye candy and good to start up a quick convo

Ive liked Ford for ages. Not sure why tho. Proberlly back in high school every1 liked commodores and i wasnt a fan of the early model ones myself and i dont like been a sheep and following what every1 else does. And maybe that my bros and my close friends have owned some hot XA and XB GT coupes and 4 doors and XY's and XR's and ive owned a few 351 XD's myself. It was a rivalry of the running gears with myself and mates. I use to argu that a cleveland motor was tuffer then a holden 308 but then they would say the Chev and my argument was that was American motors.
Then i used to bag the holdens gear boxes and diffs. Nothing can beat a top loader 4spd manual box or a C4 or FMX auto trans with a high stall and 9inch diffs they where idustructible and all ford. The Holdens had aussie 4spds and banjo diffs (i called them bangoes, as in bang goes the diff as they where poo) but there Turbo 400 and 700 auto trans where pretty tuff but alot of the times in the muscle cars the Holdens ran the 9inch diffs and some times the top loaders. It was just alot of fun. These days i will never bag a shit hot torana or a monaroe or any old school muscle car. I appreciate the work that goes into them and nice hotted up old school cars are really getting rare these days and you hardly see them on the roads.

But still you gota own FORD. After all they where the 1st car ever made

To humour you i'll pretend i'm female, OH REALLY PAULIE AWW BABE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, MY EYE BALLS ARE ACTUALLY OUT OF MY HEAD I'M SO SCARED, MY WORLDS BEEN OPENED UP TO NEW EVERYTHING OMG OMG OMG OMG HOLY F*CKING C*NT S*HT NIGGA OH MY DOLMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW i was being sarcastic i've supported Holdens since i was 6 i know lol like, that is just the arguement it doesn't mean it's true it's just, holdens are the Australian car, fords don't even deserve capitals, holdens are faster lighter the door handels don't fall off cops by holdens cause of these reasons PEACE OUT TO A NIGGA!!

But owned by GM in America and there running gear like the Gem 3 is based on the chev motors in America

Holden is owned by a guy who lives in Kangeroo Island, suprisingly enough he built the first Holden and his last name is Holden and i think he's been knighted

This post has been edited by Maori Messiah: Mar 6 2007, 01:55 PM

yep holdens just tend to rust half way up the doors, the idicator storkes always break oh and you cant go past the interior roof linning always coming apart and so easy to break in.

How about Toyotas?? there made in Melbourne. I beleive they are the only ones that make the only australian 4cyls at the moment. And what about mitsubishi? I dont think they even rate hahahahahahaha

ROFL, my friends sister is selling a cordia turbo thats an old rally car, i sounds like a rally car i don't think it's got rego and i definatly wont get insurance lol

hay i do hahahahahaha

Sorry hunny, but that is the STUPIDEST thing I have heard for a while! Yer, sure Elizabeth is a hole...Most Holden workers are a few fries short of a Happy Meal, but that doesn't mean that their quality of cars is crap.

The Holden vs Ford rivalry is just like any rivalry really...Look at the Crows vs Port rivalry...Coca Cola vs Pepsi...Everyone has their own taste and their own opinion for whatever reason...

Look at the Clipsal, it's Holden vs Ford, it's a race, someone has to win, and someone has to back that winner and take a side...

I have been brought up in a Holden family, and I don't just mean that they all supported Holdens...My mum, little bro, nan, pop, aunty etc all their last names are Holden. So it's not wonder that they barrack for Holdens as well

When I got older and got a bit more of a clue I still stuck with Holdens, I like the look of them a whole lot better, I like their colours better than Fords, I like their comfort better than Fords, I like everything about them better than Fords

And now the Japanese cars are alot more popular you'll find even the biggest die hard Holden or Ford supporter owning a Skyline for whatever reason.

OMG NEWB, If Holdens are so bad, no wait wait, lets say i agree with you... i don't but lets say i do, why do all the fully sick bro homies drive the fully sick calis's br00 and why are they more popular than fords broooo like ever after 2 years in a row of winning the V8 supercar series Holden still lead in sales, they were better on paper and practically, they're better cars man, Holdens own fords cause fords run like a fridge, very homosexually

i dont really care

i dont like cars really... cept MY R33

i pay them both out equally


but have always been more on the holden side, cos my mum likes fords go the teenage rebellion

your r33....

LOL..

Davin is owned!

Pwnd even, even pwnd

Technically that ain't really true... in America, Holden is General Motors and in the UK they are Vauxhall


I agree!

Ahem.. I was engaged to a guy that worked there and he said those cars are the worst possible. The trans is poop, third gear in the VY commodores was like.. shifting from 4th to reverse without stopping first, and they didnt get much better in the VZ series and I'm pretty sure that they copied a Magna with the VE... When they start building a car I actually like driving and has a semi decent transmission let me know.... For now I'll stick to Skylines, Celicas and XR6 turbo's



UGH I barely drink australian booze.






DID YOU KNOW.... Holdens built saddles before they built cars?

Yeah, but they still know a horse is better then a Ford

Actually the cops use commies in Adelaide because they like to support local business's

If you check other states like QLD I think you'll find they use Falcons

and in germany they're opel i know what GM is, omg i wanna hit you

first sensible comment

I used to be a Holden Girl.

Now, I'm more of a Nissan girl

although, if I have to choose between ford and holden, I'll go ford these days. More so out of spite than anything but I do like fords... one in particular

Actually one of the designs for one of the Magnas I'm pretty sure was purchased off of the Holden design team...

Holden, once upon a time used to buy/hire Fords, take them apart and see where THEY went wrong so that they didn't...

And if a transmission is fraked, then I dare say that it has alot to do with the person that drove or is driving it, thrashing it...

Although I was pretty unimpressed with the VY's, they weren't very gutsy cars at all...

I just think the butt looks very Magna with their tail-lights

And series 1 VY DID have a trans problem off the line.
GMH said so after they first came out, then tried to fix it in the series 2 and it took them till the VZ series to get it semi right.... so i heard.

I like the look of the new VE, but yer, cars are like anything really, each to their own

Yer I think I heard that too...But yer, trans will only get worse if it gets thrashed, or with good ol' wear and tear

Meh, every car gets problems...Even after all these years producing cars...That's what "Series II's" are for

ROFL @ girls talking about cars

They pretty much have to release a car by a certain date anyway, else they'll fade out of the spotlight... It's like Windows for a PC, every version has problems, and updates and patches are released to fix these problems. Nobody can make a perfect car, having a Holden vs Ford competition is great, it tries to allow each company to out do itself, each company copies each other, there's only so many things that you can possibly design that can be original, still I think every Ford is a piece of shit and I can't stand the ugly f*ckers

And other companies own certain car companies anyway, Toyota owns Lexus, General Motors owns Holden, so of course many of the cars will look like each other

This post has been edited by overdose: Mar 6 2007, 09:01 PM

Obviously you go by the rule of " its not what you say but how you say it"

Seriously all you Holden people have no idea. FORD was the very 1st car that was invinted. So there for if it wasnt for FORD there wouldnt be a Holden. End of argument i win ahahahahahahaha

nice one Harley



no shit, feel the love once again. what is it with you telling everyone how stupid they are? No wonder your constantly getting flamed on certain other forums...

Every1 who like fords are homosexual that means that there a guy that likes a penis in the bottom

Excuse me? I never said Bexter was stupid, I just said her comment was stupid (in my opinion)...I don't think that because of that comment that that makes HER stupid at all...And Bexter knows this We're just having fun arguing on an internet forum She's passionate about Fords, I'm passionate about Holdens, but we're still friends...And this is the perfect thread to talk about it And if you're so in tune with all the other forums then why don't you go back there?

AHEM Plur lacking a little on this thread.

Instead of verbally bashing eachother and saying opinions are stupid why not just agree to dissagree and leave everyone else to their opinions?

I like fords yes, I had an ex boyfriend who used to work in final assembily and told me the ins and outs of the Holden plant in Elizabeth and thus I chose to go for Fords.. WOW hate me because I wear blue on race day


ROFL of course I know this.. except I'm not passionate about fords, its just a preference on race day to a lack of options.. If skylines were racing I'd be all for them.

ford all the way, and as to tech in jap vs old teck in some american engines, go down to the local drag strip (if we had a working one ) but anyway go to a drag strip now see one of those engines, say a 400 Cu inch hemi, they still run push rods yet alas they rev to 9000 RPM and now ill hear some import fans saying that their engines rev to 14000, so what, 8 litres reving to 9000 rpm is still a lot more potential air flow and thus power than a 2 litre reving to 14000, more cillinders means more even and consise power delivery, and now, back to the push rod issue these engines while revving to those high values with push rods, and making over 5000 HP and yet they still dont break, try and see a jap engine make over 1000 HP like that and not have reliability issues. and to really have a fair race between a jap car and an aussie car take the hair dryer off, race completley NA and see who wins, and without a turbo the cars engine will last far far far longer than it would even with a low powered turbo setup, so another reason for a big displacement NA engine vs a small displacement turbo engine. now back to the new age, both holden and ford have developed high teck engines now, and because im a ford fan ill use the straight six 4 litre turbo six, a company in victoria is now developing a 1000 KW kit for the engine, u pull the bottom end of the engine out clean the stock, STOCK, internals up getting rid of the casting lines etc, then u bolt a cross rack (cant remember the exact name) below the bearing caps which tightens up the bottom of the block, then u take the head polish it up, lower the compression a tad, then put it all back together, now change exhaust, intake, and bigger intercooler, and then all u have to do is wind up the boost as they do in this kit to about 25 PSI and now ur looking at over 1100 KWs reliably, the engine was proven to run for a few weeks at this power load and after a strip down no signs of wear and tear on the components or stress was apparent. try and see the skyline engine making those sorts of power figures , its a similar story with the holden's new engine. even the ecotec can be made to make significant power figures with minimal modifications. and then on top of all this u have a bigger car that should u crash wont crumple up into a tiny bit of metal and ull be laying in a hospital bed vs laying 9 feet below the ground a few weeks later. and if u say ah but u wont crash in an import, well u pay 18 grand for a 1990 import like a skyline etc, vs paying 18 for a 2 or so yhear old ford, now which car is gonna have the better suspension, 1990 technology or 2005 technology and even with money spent on it same on both the difference will still be aparent.

ah well thats my 2 words worth

and go ford u still hold the crown, bathurst.

and i prefer ford because up untill the VE commodore the shape of them hasnt been overly great, and i cant explain why but i prefer the feel of the ford when im driving it.

This post has been edited by waylander_jobby: Mar 7 2007, 02:43 PM

Passionate/Decisive due to lack of choices...Same sh*t Oh I'm the same too! Bring the skylines in and I'll be ALL for them!

but yea, as far as imports go, id have to choose a skyline, due to it having an engine with more than 4 cylinders, and a displacement thats actually getting in the relms of decent, and it being fun to drive .

he knows it too MY car, MY house im nice, so i share


YEAH BABY!! mmmmm they drive good!


holdens and fords.. meh.... who cares, you were obviously all to busy fighting to see the skylines kicking your asses

Damn strait!

Vote 1: Nissan Skylines
Vote 2: Holden Commodores

That's how I roll

How would you know if they drive good? You don't drive yet... Skylines are becoming the next Ford and Holden anyway, too popular for their own good

You only say that because you have a Holden

Huh? Say what because I have a Holden? I said both Ford and Holden...

and you have a holden as oppose to a skyline .... NVM i know wat i am talking about.

Yes so I am putting them all in the same bowl... I still don't get it

There was a time when it was great to see Skylines driving around, now you see them all the time which is my point

Skylines are the japanese COMMONdore. They are every where over there

Reading your post i'm presuming your replying to a lot of what i said in my post about jap tech being advanced copared to the same year manufacture aussie built cars cars.

"so what, 8 litres reving to 9000 rpm is still a lot more potential air flow and thus power than a 2 litre reving to 14000, more cillinders means more even and consise power delivery"

You forget that some imports eg drag cars if thats what we are basing this on hav bigger than 2L motors some of the soarers have a 4L twin cam multivalve V8 these bottom ends will handle 1000hp in untouched stock trim not many morots will do that and you may say well a 4L motor will not flow as much as a 8L! Yes but a lot of drag cars use turbo's and run pressures in exess of 28PSI thats 2 x normal atmospheric pressure so that means a 4L will flow as much air as a 8L motor and possibly more due to better designed intakes/ exhaust higher boost pressures and more valves. Also the 1UZFE 4L toyota V8 also has 6 bolt man caps 4 in from the bottom and 2 from the side which is why a jap v8 will take 1000hp in un touched stock trim.


"and making over 5000 HP and yet they still dont break, try and see a jap engine make over 1000 HP like that and not have reliability issues"

I bet you any money an engine to put out 5000Hp will have reliability issues old school v8 or not. They will not last forever. The more power you push out the lesser the life span of the motor will be no mater how much $$$ you spend.





"and to really have a fair race between a jap car and an aussie car take the hair dryer off, race completley NA "

Thats not a fair race thats racing an engine built for non turbo against a decompressed engine that was designed for turbo pressures not std atmospheric pressure.

This post has been edited by BOOSTING: Mar 9 2007, 11:35 AM

Gezzz, those aussie V8 ford & holdens sound tough and go fast in a straight line......but what happens when you get to a corner or need to stop??

I'll take the Jap car anyday.....

I've had both V8's & Jap cars

Go the SKYLINE!! bang for bucks, handeling/preformance & cheap to modify.

My girlfriend has a bright red Holden G string.... Why would my choice be based on superior automobile quality and technology when my girl has a Holden G?

This post has been edited by fullmoon: Mar 9 2007, 01:45 PM

i can legally drive .... and how would you know if i have or havnt taken that car out???
i know they drive good... i dont have to be holding the steering wheel to know that wtf?? where are you driving from? the boot?

and they are too popular cos they are so damn good!
you drive one and then you will know what we are talking about!!

those damn rotors on the other hand...

ha no shit i wish that bloody jarrod didnt like them...going up a series all the time tho...tho i will have to say im happier with the series 4..looks better..
but the series three made this cool noise when u changed gear!! yea ok...i no nothing about cars! i just look at the outside...rather there smooth and shiny..or hard and dull...thats my anaylsis.....ooo an i like my car

im the same.. i dont buy brand names on clothes... i wont buy a car just because its a holden or ford.. i go for what looks good and shiney